Climate variations analyzed 5 million years back in time

The key phrase is…

Even though we do not know the climate variations in detail so far back…

But details matter.

The media release is below.


Climate variations analyzed 5 million years back in time

When we talk about climate change today, we have to look at what the climate was previously like in order to recognise the natural variations and to be able to distinguish them from the human-induced changes. Researchers from the Niels Bohr Institute have analysed the natural climate variations over the last 12,000 years, during which we have had a warm interglacial period and they have looked back 5 million years to see the major features of the Earth’s climate. The research shows that not only is the weather chaotic, but the Earth’s climate is chaotic and can be difficult to predict. The results are published in the scientific journal, Nature Communications.

The Earth’s climate system is characterised by complex interactions between the atmosphere, oceans, ice sheets, landmasses and the biosphere (parts of the world with plant and animal life). Astronomical factors also play a role in relation to the great changes like the shift between ice ages, which typically lasts about 100,000 years and interglacial periods, which typically last about 10-12,000 years.

Climate repeats as fractals

“You can look at the climate as fractals, that is, patterns or structures that repeat in smaller and smaller versions indefinitely. If you are talking about 100-year storms, are there then 100 years between them? – Or do you suddenly find that there are three such storms over a short timespan? If you are talking about very hot summers, do they happen every tenth year or every fifth year? How large are the normal variations? – We have now investigated this,” explains Peter Ditlevsen, Associate Professor of Climate Physics at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen. The research was done in collaboration with Zhi-Gang Shao from South China University, Guangzhou in Kina.

The researchers studied: Temperature measurements over the last 150 years. Ice core data from Greenland from the interglacial period 12,000 years ago, for the ice age 120,000 years ago, ice core data from Antarctica, which goes back 800,000 years, as well as data from ocean sediment cores going back 5 million years.

“We only have about 150 years of direct measurements of temperature, so if, for example, we want to estimate how great of variations that can be expected over 100 years, we look at the temperature record for that period, but it cannot tell us what we can expect for the temperature record over 1000 years. But if we can determine the relationship between the variations in a given period, then we can make an estimate. These kinds of estimates are of great importance for safety assessments for structures and buildings that need to hold up well for a very long time, or for structures where severe weather could pose a security risk, such as drilling platforms or nuclear power plants. We have now studied this by analysing both direct and indirect measurements back in time,” explains Peter Ditlevsen.

The research shows that the natural variations over a given period of time depends on the length of this period in the very particular way that is characteristic for fractals. This knowledge tells us something about how big we should expect the 1000-year storm to be in relation to the 100-year storm and how big the 100-year storm is expected to be in relation to the 10-year storm. They have further discovered that there is a difference in the fractal behaviour in the ice age climate and in the current warm interglacial climate.

Abrupt climate fluctuations during the ice age

“We can see that the climate during an ice age has much greater fluctuations than the climate during an interglacial period. There has been speculation that the reason could be astronomical variations, but we can now rule this out as the large fluctuation during the ice age behave in the same ‘fractal’ way as the other natural fluctuations across the globe,” Peter Ditlevsen.

The astronomical factors that affect the Earth’s climate are that the other planets in the solar system pull on the Earth because of their gravity. This affects the Earth’s orbit around the sun, which varies from being almost circular to being more elliptical and this affects solar radiation on Earth. The gravity of the other planets also affects the Earth’s rotation on its axis. The Earth’s axis fluctuates between having a tilt of 22 degrees and 24 degrees and when the tilt is 24 degrees, there is a larger difference between summer and winter and this has an influence on the violent shifts in climate between ice ages and interglacial periods.

The abrupt climate changes during the ice age could be triggered by several mechanisms that have affected the powerful ocean current, the Gulf Stream, which transports warm water from the equator north to the Atlantic, where it is cooled and sinks down into the cold ocean water under the ice to the bottom and is pushed back to the south. This water pump can be put out of action or weakened by changes in the freshwater pressure, the ice sheet breaking up or shifting sea ice and this results in the increasing climatic variability.

Natural and human-induced climate changes

The climate during the warm interglacial periods is more stable than the climate of ice age climate.

“In fact, we see that the ice age climate is what we call ‘multifractal’, which is a characteristic that you see in very chaotic systems, while the interglacial climate is ‘monofractal’. This means that the ratio between the extremes in the climate over different time periods behaves like the ratio between the more normal ratios of different timescales,” explains Peter Ditlevsen

This new characteristic of the climate will make it easier for climate researchers to differentiate between natural and human-induced climate changes, because it can be expected that the human-induced climate changes will not behave in the same way as the natural fluctuations.

“The differences we find between the two climate states also suggest that if we shift the system too much, we could enter a different system, which could lead to greater fluctuations. We have to go very far back into the geological history of the Earth to find a climate that is as warm as what we are heading towards. Even though we do not know the climate variations in detail so far back, we know that there were abrupt climate shifts in the warm climate back then,” points out Peter Ditlevsen.


4 thoughts on “Climate variations analyzed 5 million years back in time”

  1. “‘as warm as what we are heading towards’ – there’s another key phrase. It is based on the assumption that their proxies are accurate and that their models are correct”

    It is based principally on the assumption that conservation of energy applies to the concept of earth’s energy budget. A hard one to argue with. In other words, physics – more energy arriving from space than leaving means the planet will continue to warm, moving toward a warmer state of radiative equilibrium. After a couple of centuries of relevant scientific work and now four decades of surface and ocean warming as expected by this straightforward reasoning in physics, it is difficult to understand why some wish to treat this like it is some wild speculation cooked up in a computer model on a whim.

    “we know the proxy data is crap”

    Proxy data is of course “proxy” and not actual environmental measurements, so subject to problems depending on the proxy. The problem with ignoring all such data is that there isn’t generally a reason to assume all different kinds of proxies are crap in the same way, and so when you see the clear trends in past conditions show up across a large range of different proxies it gets more irrational to claim we cannot understand anything about earth’s geologic past.

    “the models suffer from GIGO syndrome”

    There is actually no evidence this is true that I am aware of. The main acknowledged challenge in models is representing more chaotic natural variation (e.g. PDO) and such things as cloud feedback responses. “GIGO” accusations seem to generally just come from political critics of science, and do not seem to be informed by any actual understanding of model construction or issues, at least in my experience. Happy to be shown wrong if you have a citation to something that shows a GIGO problem (a way the models are pre-programmed to show warming, vs. showing warming as a result of well-modeled physical processes such as radiative transfer theory, Clausius–Clapeyron driven water vapor response etc.)

    “They also offer (in the article) no explanation for a natural move from mono-fractal to multi-fractal”

    The common reasoning around such things as Younger Dryas type disruptions appears to be that they are associated with major shifts in the state of the hydrosphere, i.e. in sharper periods of climate change you have more rapid changes to ice balance and the potential for sharper shifts in ocean circulation that produce abrupt/radical regional climate change. Hence the attention to the possible weakening of the Gulf stream system currently:

    “why the current interglacial has lasted so long”

    The article says interglacials “typically” 10-12,000 years long, and we’re about 10,000 years into this one – is it long?

  2. Fractals that conflict with global warming theory are measured in eons.

    Fractals that support global warming theory are measured in decades, years, months, days, hours or minutes (depending on which time-frame fits the narrative best).

  3. “as warm as what we are heading towards” – there’s another key phrase. It is based on the assumption that their proxies are accurate and that their models are correct. But we know the proxy data is crap, and the models suffer from GIGO syndrome. They also offer (in the article) no explanation for a natural move from mono-fractal to multi-fractal, or why the current interglacial has lasted so long.

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