Enviro: “Climate deniers like ignorant patrons of ’80s gay bars”

Dan Savage writes at The Stranger:

Now every time I read about fires in Colorado or rising seas or Canadian tar sands or Native villages already being washed away in Alaska or preparations for the next hurricane that slams into New York City, a slightly modified version of Buchanan’s vicious line about AIDS plays in my head. We have declared war on nature, and now nature is exacting an awful retribution.

We have declared war on the water we drink and the air we breathe. We have declared war on the forests and the oceans. We have declared war on the honeybees. All of us have—liberal, conservative, independent. Some of us, however, are ready to start making the changes that must be made if we want to survive in this world.

But the conservatives, the poor conservatives, they’re like those faggots in gay bars in 1983. They’re standing around, drinks in hand, insisting that the conflagration currently engulfing them—the conflagration that is engulfing us all—isn’t happening. That it can’t be happening. But just as denial and anger and shooting messengers didn’t save those gay men in Chicago’s bars in 1983, denial and anger won’t save Colorado’s ranchers in 2013. Nature is exacting an awful retribution.

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27 thoughts on “Enviro: “Climate deniers like ignorant patrons of ’80s gay bars””

  1. The lad yearns for the good old days when humans were still firmly in control of the weather and climate. We can return to those times if we just live right. Mother Nature will forgive us if we make the right sacrifices.

  2. If you would read the article you would learn that it’s the denialists who are using violence against their opponents.

    Just like the commenters right here on junk science, who are making noises about shooting their opponents dead.

  3. I’d rather talk about why there isn’t any global warming on Titan. It has a thick green house gas blanket, made out of methane (25 times the global warming potential compared to CO2) and yet there is no global warming on Titan, relative to it’s neighboring airless moons.

    Why is that?

    No, but you want to talk about gay bars.

    As far as that goes, you go around calling gun toting biblebelt conservatives a bunch of faggots, in that instance you should consider it luck that there have only been noises.

  4. To save world leaders from possible nuclear annihilation in the aftermath of WWII, the UN was formed and humans were enslaved.

    Thank you, Wayne Hall, for speaking out.

    It is now clear that humans have been dumbed down and science turned into a propaganda tool to save world leaders from possible death by nuclear annihilation.

    Modern physics and astronomy are utter fantasy: 1. Stars generate and discard hydrogen by neutron decay. 2. Repulsive forces between neutrons generate heat and occassional fragmention of cores of heavy atoms, planets, stars and galaxies.

    The entire universe is just two forms of one fundamental particle: The neutron (n) and an expanded form, the hydrogen atom (H).

    Forget all theoretical garbage published after 1945 to enslave society and protect leaders from possible nuclear annihilation. 

    The universe is simple and can be understood by all (except those filled with pride). 

    There is no need to assume or to believe models of:

    1. H-filled stars
    2. Big Bang 
    3. Black Holes
    4. N-N attraction
    5. Quarks & bosons
    6. Oscillating solar neutrinos, etc., etc.

    Oliver K. Manuel

  5. It is more retrograde than that. The history of Man is our attempt to separate ourselves from nature. Mr. Savage’s “fires in Colorado or rising seas or Canadian tar sands or Native villages already being washed away in Alaska or preparations for the next hurricane” are WHY we try to separate ourselves from nature.

    Except for that “Canadian tar sands” boogeyman, which reveals a degree of his insanity.

    Savage’s ilk want us to go back to living streamside, in thatched-roofed huts. Or further back – to living under open skies.

    “We have declared war on the honeybees.”

    Dumbass. We brought them here.

  6. At first I was going to challenge Savage’s credentials to speak on this subject, but then I realized, Savage is the world’s foremost expert….on 80’s gay bars.

  7. Thanks for your concern. I am keenly aware of the possibility that I am wrong.

    I am also aware of undeniable experimental measurements and observations showing that:

    The sun birthed the solar system
    The interior of the sun is iron
    The core of the sun is a pulsar
    Stars produce and discard hydrogen
    Deception on the sun began in 1946
    Neutrons repel each other, despite the Nobel Prize that Yukawa received in 1949 for false claims they attract.

    Again, I appreciate your concerns. They can be verified if the US NAS, the UK’s Royal Society and the UN army of pseudoscientists address the rest mass data of the 3,000 types of atoms that compromise the entire universe.

    Otherwise, you need to read George Orwell’s book “1984” again.

    Oliver K. Manuel
    PhD Nuclear Chemistry
    Postdoc Space Physics
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  8. So it turns out denialists are hip, free-living and free-loving people. Savage should love us.

  9. Mr. Manuel seems to be quite the web controversialist…. I’ll pass on the relevancy or credibility of same.

  10. Thanks, Jim.

    Please pass along this manuscript in progress and ask that comments be sent to me at omatumr@yahoo.com

    All post-1945 discoveries of nuclear energy have been blocked. A coincidence?

    The Orwellian nightmare is information anarchy. It all began in 1946, the same year Orwell started writing “1984″:


    I deeply regret that I could not decipher this earlier.

    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  11. Who’s using violence against whom? I seem to recall Michael Mann calling for Nueremberg trials of fossil fuel executives and environmentalists sabotaging coal power plants. On a financial level, I know of severe pressure by environmental groups to block funding of fossil fuel fired interests and outright harassment of anyone who dares to challenge their assertions. However, what has been done in return is equivalent to beerhall bravado at best. “We should let all the environmentalists go to nature for a week and see how many are left” has as much support in reality as Shakespeares’s “First we kill all the lawyers”. It’s fun to say, but really no one would actually do it.

  12. Ollie, How can stars produce hydrogen? Care to explain how or why the existence of quarks or nuclear fusion is a lie? While the iron sun is an interesting theory, why don’t we see the spectrum of hot iron in the sun’s rays? No, in fact we discovered Helium (literally, the “sun gas” from Helios based on the fact that that was the unidentified gas in the spectrum we found, which did not include iron). While I find your work interesting, that seems to be a bit of a buz-kill concerning your core thesis.

    No, sorry, buddy, but you are alone for good reason

  13. As a ‘denier’ I have been called many things and compared to many other things, but “the conservatives, the poor conservatives, they’re like those f*gg*ts in gay bars”?
    With a single word, Savage has antagonized the *entire* LGBT sub-culture.
    Like grabbing a sword by the blade and swinging it like a club, such epithets harm the user far more than the intended victim.
    I could not live with myself if I had but a fraction of that much hate in my soul.

  14. Since Chadwick discovered the neutron in 1932 it has been known that free neutrons decay in about 10 minutes into hydrogen atoms.

    Neutron-decay is the source of hydrogen pouring from stars. This generates 5% of solar energy.

    Neutron-repulsion causes neutron-emission from the solar core. This generates 60% of solar energy.

    H-fusion into He generates 35% of solar energy and 100% of solar neutrinos.

    Solar neutrinos do not oscillate away. That 2001 falsehood was claimed almost immediately after the operation of the Sun was explained in March 2001 at the Lunar Science Conference.

    Oliver K. Manuel

  15. Okay, so this Proton and a Neutron go into a gay bar.
    The Neutron asks, “Why are we going in here?”

    The Proton says, “I lost an electron here last week.”

    Neutron asks, “Are you sure?”

    Proton, “Yes, I’m positive.”

  16. The top of the Sun’s atmosphere is 91% Hydrogen (the lightest element) and 9% Helium (the next lightest element). The other 81 elements comprise 0.2%.

    If you read the paper cited below and the references you may start to see the Orwellian control of science after 1945.

  17. Yes, I’ve heard that one. Did you know

    V(H)/V(n) = 1,000,000,000,000,000
    m(n)/m(H) = 1.0008
    1. n-n interactions are short-range and repulsive
    2. H-H interactions are long-range and attractive (gravity)

    The universe is vibrant and alive because of differences in the properties of these two forms of one fundamental property that comprises everything.

    The universe expands as H is expelled from stars and fills interstellar space.

    Then the universe will collapse and start over. In ~20 billion years, you and I may be having this same conversation again.

    All is well,

  18. Human beings are as much a part of nature as any other critter. I’ve seen no evidence to the contrary.

  19. That has got to be one of the most desperate tirades by Dan Savage I have come across in a long time. What happened, did Frank, kick him out?

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