19 thoughts on “Shame: GOP surrenders on fiscal cliff; Conservative media, Tea party AWOL”

  1. People are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustom.

    God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
    The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
    wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
    they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
    it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
    And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
    warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
    resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
    to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
    in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
    time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    It is its natural manure.

    America currently rests in the quandary between between these two quotes. And, yes, the two quotes examine the worst case scenario of revolution. But I was more speaking of the necessity of change and less to the idea of waging an actual war. It IS time for a change. If we can do that without war, all the better. But it’s an unarguable fact that we need to change the current situation in Washington.

  2. Actually, people quite often do not do anything until the sheriff shows up to evict them. As a credit counselor, the rate of success was probably well under 50%. Let’s be honest–old habits are hard to break and it takes a lot of discipline to get out of the mess you’ve dug yourself into. So we stay with our heads in the sand until some large, snarly creature comes by and bites our butt (which is a true surprise to many people–their vulnerability in hiding from reality is not something they acknowledge). Then the head comes out of the sand and we either fight or run. Why would the government be any different? So watch out for that large, snarly creature and be ready for flight or fight!

  3. I’ll do it for you, 1863.
    Violent rebellion must be kept as a last resort when all others are long exhausted. However, government responsibility is certainly a better reason than slavery to do so.

    If such an action would occur, It most likely would be in the form of a military coup. Think Octavian versus Brutus instead of Grant versus Lee. I have another reference for you as to why that is a bad idea. Napoleon.

  4. I’m afraid nothing will happen until we hit the wall of there being no more money.

    Governments are instituted amongst men for mutual protection. Enforcement of contracts and resolving torts.

    Washington, with the legacy press bringing the support of many people, has decided its role is to perfect life. 2,776,000 employees deciding what is the best light bulb for you.

    Washington has no stake in ending the insanity.

  5. Got it. Maybe we should try something a bit less drastic? Maybe throw the whole bunch on an island and see if we can get an interesting “Survivor” series?

  6. South Carolina seceded from the Union in December, 1860, principally over the Morrill Tariff. The South was financing the Union, and the Union was doing things like not enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act.

    Playedspades suggested it might be time for a change. We tried it 150 years ago; it didn’t end well.

  7. Our founders went to war over a 3 cent tax on a 3 cent deck of cards. How much taxation will we suffer before we realize that Washington has become the new King George? Doesn’t anybody else think it’s time for a change?

  8. Libtards have a static view of the economy. They think that raising taxes on higher earners will bring in more money.

    It won’t. As you suggest, they will change their behavior to produce less.

    From Wikipedia:

    “A spendthrift (also called profligate) is someone who spends money prodigiously and who is extravagant and recklessly wasteful, often to a point where the spending climbs well beyond his or her means.”

    The U.S. government is spending beyond its means. It is spending beyond the means of the planet. The government can take measures to bring spending under control, or continue to spend until it hits the wall of there being no more money. There is a natural debt ceiling where no one will lend them money anymore. Is it $20T? I don’t know, but we are certainly approaching the limit.

    New taxes are a net negative on the economy, hence on government revenue. The House has agreed to punt responsibility down the road. Brinksmanship to the real fiscal cliff.

  9. As I noted on a different thread, the only cure is to make sure NONE of those who voted “yea” are ever re-elected. As for the economy, buy nothing you don’t absolutely need, earn just enough to stay below the tax increase, etc. Why prolong the inevitable? Why support theft and welfare?

  10. It is going to take pain, like govt. layoffs, and defaults before the takers finally realize nothing is free. I am sure the republicans can sell that with the national media backing democrats. Hence, hard times coming. Hold on to your cash.

  11. The only Tea Party public statements you hear now are from fake national groups that are establishment co-opts, such as Tea Party Nation and TheTeaParty.net. Mark Levin led a response to the failed Plan B but as you suggest he’s on holiday this week. He’s the only big radio guy who’s into activism. I assume no one mistakes swamp dweller Norquist for a Tea Partier. Since the election he’s been co-opting them big time, talking as if he knows “their plans.” His pals are in the co-opt group TheTeaParty.net.

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