6 thoughts on “NYTimes objects to Netanyahu’s insistence that Iran give up its terrorist ways”
We have plans for all kinds of contingencies. So what? If the Iraq war showed anything, it was the dysfunctionality of using military power to make political change.
I could actually understand the rationale to steal Iraq’s oil, but we never even tried to do that. It seems our plan was “Make a mess. Destabilize the Middle East. Empower Iran to expand its power. Ruin the US brand as the good guys. Create a lot of new terrorists. Get nothing in return.” That
s sure what happened.
Sorry mate. Too many of us remember the Iraq/Iran war using chemical weapons in the 1990’s. Or seizing our Embassy after Jimmy Carter managed to help turn Iran into a Islamic dictatorship. Nice try though.
Everything We’re Doing Now Was Planned BEFORE 9/11
We’ve been told that 9/11 changed everything.
Is it true?
Let’s look at the facts:
The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11 (see this and this)
The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might “have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.”
Cheney apparently even made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: “Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.” (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)
The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.
The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.
(4:30 into this video).
Cheney dreamed of giving the White House the powers of a monarch long before 9/11
Cheney and Rumsfeld actively generated fake intelligence which exaggerated the threat from an enemy in order to justify huge amounts of military spending long before 9/11. And see this
The government’s spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this)
The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11
It was known long before 9/11 that torture doesn’t work to produce accurate intelligence … but is an effective way to terrorize people
And – sadly – America played dirty games to justify and win wars before 9/11
9/11 didn’t change anything. It was simply an excuse to implement existing plans.
That’s easy. Religious extremist Iranian revolutionaries attacked–and overthrew–Iran itself in the 1970s. Then Iraq and Iran attacked each other in endlessly in the Iran-Iraq war. Are you suggesting Iran is an oasis of peace and non-agression for two centuries? That’s a novel and humorous defense of Iran’s modern history.
name one country that Iran has attacked in the last 200 years.
To understand the NY Times Jewish writers behind this ridiculous editorial, please remember that…
1. In the biblical Exodus, most of the Hebrews stayed behind as slaves.
2. The Maccabees had as much trouble with apostate Jews as the actual enemy. In fact, the loyal Jews were a distinct minority.
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We have plans for all kinds of contingencies. So what? If the Iraq war showed anything, it was the dysfunctionality of using military power to make political change.
I could actually understand the rationale to steal Iraq’s oil, but we never even tried to do that. It seems our plan was “Make a mess. Destabilize the Middle East. Empower Iran to expand its power. Ruin the US brand as the good guys. Create a lot of new terrorists. Get nothing in return.” That
s sure what happened.
Sorry mate. Too many of us remember the Iraq/Iran war using chemical weapons in the 1990’s. Or seizing our Embassy after Jimmy Carter managed to help turn Iran into a Islamic dictatorship. Nice try though.
Everything We’re Doing Now Was Planned BEFORE 9/11
We’ve been told that 9/11 changed everything.
Is it true?
Let’s look at the facts:
The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11 (see this and this)
The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might “have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.”
Cheney apparently even made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: “Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.” (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)
The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.
The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.
(4:30 into this video).
Cheney dreamed of giving the White House the powers of a monarch long before 9/11
Cheney and Rumsfeld actively generated fake intelligence which exaggerated the threat from an enemy in order to justify huge amounts of military spending long before 9/11. And see this
The government’s spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this)
The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11
It was known long before 9/11 that torture doesn’t work to produce accurate intelligence … but is an effective way to terrorize people
And – sadly – America played dirty games to justify and win wars before 9/11
9/11 didn’t change anything. It was simply an excuse to implement existing plans.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com.br/2011/06/911-didnt-change-anything.html
That’s easy. Religious extremist Iranian revolutionaries attacked–and overthrew–Iran itself in the 1970s. Then Iraq and Iran attacked each other in endlessly in the Iran-Iraq war. Are you suggesting Iran is an oasis of peace and non-agression for two centuries? That’s a novel and humorous defense of Iran’s modern history.
name one country that Iran has attacked in the last 200 years.
To understand the NY Times Jewish writers behind this ridiculous editorial, please remember that…
1. In the biblical Exodus, most of the Hebrews stayed behind as slaves.
2. The Maccabees had as much trouble with apostate Jews as the actual enemy. In fact, the loyal Jews were a distinct minority.